Summary · 摘要
In this 27-minute interview conducted by Anna Sólyom for the Cuerpomente YouTube channel, Gabor Maté explores how societal conflict and external turmoil translate into individual physiological and psychological stress, filtered through each person’s degree of internal grounding. He argues that multigenerational traumatic imprints shape how susceptible people are to external pressures, and that daily grounding practices — breath work, media boundaries, contemplative reading — are essential for maintaining psychological autonomy in turbulent times. The conversation moves through addiction (framed as the pursuit of genuine unmet needs), the body-based nature of trauma, the Compassionate Inquiry approach, and Maté’s own evolving relationship with healing and joy.
本次访谈由安娜·索利约姆（Anna Sólyom）主持，在Cuerpomente YouTube频道发布，时长约27分钟。加博尔·马泰探讨了社会冲突与外部动荡如何通过个体内在的”根植程度”转化为生理与心理压力。他认为，跨代创伤印记决定了人们对外部压力的易感性，而日常的根植练习——呼吸练习、媒体边界管理、冥想性阅读——对于在动荡时代维持心理自主性至关重要。对话涵盖成瘾问题（被界定为对真实未满足需求的追求）、创伤的躯体本质、“慈悲探询”疗法，以及马泰自身对疗愈与喜悦的持续探索。
Key points · 要点
[00:00:34] External conflict and societal turmoil directly affect individual physiology — hormones, nervous system, gut, immune function, and blood pressure all bear the impact of ambient anxiety. 外部冲突与社会动荡直接影响个体生理状态——荷尔蒙、神经系统、肠道、免疫功能和血压均受环境焦虑的冲击。
[00:01:06] The degree to which a person is destabilised by outside events depends largely on their internal self-regulation and groundedness; two people in identical circumstances can be affected very differently. 一个人受外部事件影响的程度，在很大程度上取决于其内在自我调节能力与根植状态；相同环境下的两个人可能反应截然不同。
[00:03:09] Large-scale political turmoil cascades into community and family conflict — Maté gives the examples of American families split by political disagreement and Jewish communities divided over the Middle East. 大规模政治动荡会向下渗透至社区和家庭冲突——马泰以美国家庭因政治分歧而疏远、犹太社区因中东局势而撕裂为例加以说明。
[00:04:40] Working on multigenerational traumatic imprints reduces unconscious reactivity; a daily contemplative practice — breath work, meditation, nature, journaling — helps maintain engagement with the world without being overwhelmed by it. 致力于疏解跨代创伤印记可降低无意识反应性；每日冥想练习——呼吸练习、冥想、亲近自然、写日记——有助于在不被世界淹没的前提下保持与其的联结。
[00:07:44] Maté describes his own morning routine: keeping his phone on airplane mode until after he reads from the Bhagavad Gita, does some breathing, and sits down for breakfast — only then opening the phone. 马泰描述了自己的晨间习惯：将手机保持在飞行模式，直到读完《博伽梵歌》、做完呼吸练习并吃完早餐后才开机。
[00:09:18] Drawing on Allan Schore’s work, Maté explains that the right brain — emotional, intuitive, holistic — is shaped by earliest caregiving experiences, beginning in the womb, and that his own difficulty accessing joy reflects his first two years of life. 援引神经科学家艾伦·肖尔的研究，马泰解释说，情感性、直觉性、整体性的右脑由最早期的养育体验塑造（从子宫期开始），而他本人难以体验喜悦，正是其人生头两年经历的体现。
[00:11:53] Self-awareness is the foundational step: without it, a person is driven by unconscious forces; recognising a triggered body state as an old traumatic imprint creates distance from the reaction, enabling choice. 自我觉知是根本性的第一步：缺乏它，人便受无意识力量驱使；将被触发的躯体状态识别为旧有创伤印记，能在自身与反应之间创造距离，从而产生选择的空间。
[00:15:00] All addictions serve genuine underlying needs — food addiction may address emptiness or stress relief; opiates may provide a surrogate for peace; alcohol and other substances similarly substitute for real human needs that were not met. 所有成瘾行为都服务于真实的深层需求——食物成瘾可能应对空虚感或压力；阿片类药物可能替代平静感；酒精及其他物质同样是对未被满足的真实人类需求的替代。
[00:18:32] Healing is a process, not an endpoint; the belief that one is “too hurt to heal” is itself a traumatic imprint. Comparing oneself to where one stood ten years ago reveals the ongoing change that disproves the impossibility belief. 疗愈是一个过程，而非终点；“伤太深无法痊愈”的信念本身就是创伤印记。将自己与十年前的状态相比，便能发现持续发生的改变，从而反驳”无法疗愈”的信念。
[00:21:06] Compassionate Inquiry works through genuine curiosity paired with compassion — curiosity alone risks defensive self-protection; compassion creates the safety needed for painful truths to surface from within the individual, not to be delivered from outside. “慈悲探询”通过真正的好奇心与慈悲心的结合发挥作用——单纯的好奇可能触发防御性自我保护；慈悲心营造安全感，使痛苦的真相能从个体内部浮现，而非由外部强加。
[00:24:43] Chronic illness, including autoimmune disease, correlates with childhood trauma: emotional self-suppression — suppressing anger or individuality to gain belonging — physiologically disorganises the immune system; conversely, healing psychological patterns can produce physical remission. 慢性病（包括自身免疫性疾病）与童年创伤存在关联：情绪自我压抑——为融入群体而压制愤怒或个性——在生理上会扰乱免疫系统；反之，疗愈心理模式可带来生理上的缓解。
Selected quotes · 摘引
“Trauma is not what happens to you, it was happens inside you.” — 00:12:25
创伤不是发生在你身上的事，而是发生在你内心的事。
“All addictions are aimed at meeting genuine needs. The need is not for the food, but if there’s a sense of deficient emptiness inside, we do have a need for fulfillment.” — 00:16:31
所有成瘾行为都旨在满足真实的需求。需要的并不是食物本身，但若内心存在一种匮乏的空虚感，我们确实有被满足的需求。
“If healing is a process, which is what it is, healing is actually a process. Then doesn’t matter how bad I might feel at any moment.” — 00:18:32
如果疗愈是一个过程——它确实是——那么无论我在某个时刻感觉多糟糕，都无关紧要。
“Compassion inquiry is simply a method by which the right questions are asked so that the answers can emerge from the individual in a setting of compassion where they feel safe.” — 00:22:09
慈悲探询就是一种方法，通过提出恰当的问题，让答案在一个令当事人感到安全、充满慈悲的环境中，从个体内部自然浮现。
“You notice that you are not the reaction. Because as long as we’re just reacting, we are the reaction.” — 00:13:56
你会注意到，你并不是那个反应本身。因为只要我们只是在反应，我们就是那个反应——除此之外什么都没有。
People & works · 人物与著作
Gabor Maté — interviewee; physician, trauma and addiction specialist, developer of Compassionate Inquiry. 加博尔·马泰 —— 受访者；医生，创伤与成瘾专家，慈悲探询疗法创始人。
Anna Sólyom — interviewer; host of the Escucha Vital podcast/channel, conducting the interview on behalf of Cuerpomente. 安娜·索利约姆 —— 采访者；Escucha Vital播客/频道主持人，代表Cuerpomente进行本次访谈。
Allan Schore — developmental neuroscientist cited by Maté; author of The Right Brain and the Origin of Human Nature; longstanding influence on Maté’s thinking about early development. 艾伦·肖尔 —— 被马泰引用的发展神经科学家；《右脑与人类本性的起源》作者；长期影响马泰关于早期发展的思想。
Sadam Kaw — director of Compassionate Inquiry; mentioned as co-presenter at Maté’s May 31 workshop in Spain. 萨达姆·卡乌 —— 慈悲探询疗法总监；被提及将与马泰共同主持5月31日在西班牙举办的工作坊。
Steve Jobs — mentioned briefly by Maté in the context of near-death experiences and the possibility of late-life epiphany. 史蒂夫·乔布斯 —— 马泰在谈及濒死体验与晚年顿悟的可能性时简短提及。
Bhagavad Gita — Hindu epic Maté reads each morning as part of his grounding practice. 《博伽梵歌》 —— 印度教史诗；马泰每日清晨阅读，作为根植练习的一部分。
Compassionate Inquiry — Maté’s therapeutic approach; discussed in detail as the method underpinning his May 31 workshop in Spain. 慈悲探询 —— 马泰的治疗方法；在访谈中被详细讨论，作为其5月31日西班牙工作坊的核心方法。
Source · 来源
- Original · 原始链接: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofdjtu7WUyc
- Channel/Show · 频道/节目: Cuerpomente · published 2026-03-25