Summary · 摘要
On Dan Harris’s 10% Happier, Dr. Gabor Maté argues that for all the genuine gains of modern medicine, it overlooks something crucial: the way modern living itself degrades our minds, bodies, and immune systems. He frames the hidden societal and structural stressors around us as untreated, unexamined sources of illness — what he calls “the social sources of illness.” The conversation, anchored in his book The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness, and Healing in a Toxic Culture, asks what it means to call so much of contemporary suffering “normal” when it may instead be an artifact of how we live.
在丹·哈里斯主持的播客《10% Happier》中，加博尔·马泰博士提出：尽管现代医学带来了真实的进步，它却忽视了一件关键的事——现代生活本身正在损害我们的心智、身体与免疫系统。他把环绕我们的、隐藏的社会与结构性压力，视为未被治疗、未被审视的疾病来源，称之为”疾病的社会根源”。这场对话以他的著作《正常的迷思：有毒文化中的创伤、疾病与疗愈》为核心，追问：当当代的诸多痛苦或许只是我们生活方式的产物时，把它们称为”正常”究竟意味着什么。
The episode also distinguishes Maté’s broad view of trauma — separating “big T” traumatic events from the quieter trauma of “wounding” — and notes how thoroughly trauma is normalized in society. From there the talk widens to disillusionment as a necessary step, to the possibilities of psychedelics and shamanic medicine within a Western framework, and to undoing the self-limiting beliefs that shape everyday life. (Content warning: the episode mentions child abuse, sexual trauma, suicide, and addiction.)
本期节目还梳理了马泰对创伤的宽泛理解——把”大写 T”的创伤性事件，与更安静的”受伤”之创伤区分开来——并指出创伤在社会中被多么彻底地正常化了。由此，谈话延伸到”必要的幻灭”、到迷幻药与萨满医学在西方医学框架内的可能性，以及到解除那些塑造日常生活的自我设限信念。（内容提示：本集涉及虐待儿童、性创伤、自杀与成瘾。）
Key points · 要点
Modern medicine has real value — few would want a world without painkillers or dentistry — yet it overlooks how modern living harms our minds and bodies. 现代医学有其真实价值——很少有人愿意生活在没有止痛药或牙科的世界里——但它忽视了现代生活对身心的伤害。
We are surrounded by hidden societal and structural sources of stress that erode both happiness and immune function, largely untreated and unprevented. 我们被隐藏的社会与结构性压力源所包围，它们侵蚀着幸福感与免疫功能，却大多未被治疗、未被预防。
“The myth of normal”: much of what we accept as normal in a toxic culture may itself be the source of illness. “正常的迷思”：在一种有毒的文化中，我们视为正常的许多东西，本身可能正是疾病的根源。
Some diseases, such as autoimmune conditions, are described as “an artifact of civilization” rather than mere bad luck. 某些疾病，例如自身免疫性疾病，被描述为”文明的产物”，而非单纯的厄运。
Maté calls for tackling “the social sources of illness” — addressing the conditions of life, not only the symptoms in the body. 马泰呼吁直面”疾病的社会根源”——处理的是生活的境况，而不只是身体上的症状。
His definition of trauma distinguishes “big T traumatic events” from the trauma of “wounding.” 他对创伤的定义区分了”大写 T 的创伤性事件”与”受伤”所造成的创伤。
Trauma is so normalized in society that we often fail to recognize it; the episode also weighs whether the term “trauma” is overused. 创伤在社会中被如此正常化，以至于我们常常认不出它；本集也探讨了”创伤”一词是否被过度使用。
Comparing whose suffering is worse is treated as a fruitless endeavor. 比较谁的痛苦更深，被视为一件徒劳的事。
He speaks of “the necessity to be disillusioned” — letting go of comforting illusions as part of healing. 他谈到”幻灭的必要性”——把放下令人安慰的幻觉当作疗愈的一部分。
The conversation explores the power and possibility of psychedelics and the case for incorporating shamanic medicine into the Western medical framework. 对话探讨了迷幻药的力量与可能性，以及将萨满医学纳入西方医学框架的理由。
“Undoing self-limiting beliefs”: these beliefs show up in everyday life and can be unwound. “解除自我设限的信念”：这些信念出现在日常生活中，并且可以被一点点松解。
Selected quotes · 摘引
No verbatim transcript available — no quotes. · 无逐字稿，故不摘引。
People & works · 人物与著作
- Dan Harris — host of 10% Happier; interviews Maté in this episode.丹·哈里斯 —— 播客《10% Happier》主持人，本集对马泰进行访谈。
- Gabor Maté — physician and bestselling author; guest, speaking on stress, addiction, ADHD, and trauma.加博尔·马泰 —— 医生、畅销书作家；本集嘉宾，谈论压力、成瘾、ADHD 与创伤。
- The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness, and Healing in a Toxic Culture — Maté’s book, the basis for the conversation.《正常的迷思：有毒文化中的创伤、疾病与疗愈》 —— 马泰的著作，本次对话的核心依据。
Source · 来源
- Original · 原始链接: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/modern-life-is-making-you-sick-but-it-doesnt-have-to/id1087147821?i=1000605404890&uo=4
- Channel/Show · 频道/节目: 10% Happier with Dan Harris · published 2023-04-12