Summary · 摘要
In this Rich Roll Podcast episode (2022-09-05), Dr. Gabor Maté returns for his second appearance on the show — his first was RRP #188 — to argue that, in what Roll calls the most health-obsessed society ever, much is still not well, and that the sleeping giant beneath this malaise is unhealed trauma. Best known for his work on the link between addiction and childhood development, Maté is presented here as the author of In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts, which Roll names an essential read on the nature of addiction, and of his then-newest and most ambitious book, The Myth of Normal. The show notes frame that book as a groundbreaking extrapolation of his addiction thesis — an investigation into the true causes of illness, the many ways our society breeds disease, and the pathway back toward health and well-being.
Over the conversation, the notes say, Maté illuminates what we can do to course-correct and heal both as individuals and as a collective society. Roll closes with his hope that listeners will rethink their own behavioral compulsions, redress their own unhealed pain, and in turn treat those who suffer with more compassion and understanding.
在这期《Rich Roll Podcast》节目（2022 年 9 月 5 日）中，加博尔·马泰医生第二次做客——首次是第 188 期（RRP #188）——他提出：在罗尔所说的”史上最痴迷健康的社会”里，许多事情依然不容乐观，而这一不适背后沉睡的”巨人”，正是未曾疗愈的创伤。马泰以研究成瘾与童年发展之间的关联而广为人知；节目简介将他介绍为《In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts》（饿鬼之境）的作者——罗尔称这本书是理解成瘾本质的必读之作——以及当时最新、也最具雄心的著作《The Myth of Normal》（正常的迷思）的作者。简介将后者描述为他成瘾论题的一次开创性延伸——一场对疾病真正成因、对社会以何种方式滋生疾病、以及通往健康与福祉之路的探究。
简介称，在这场对话中，马泰阐明了我们作为个体、也作为整个社会，能够如何校正方向并走向疗愈。罗尔在结尾表达了他的期望：愿听众重新审视自己的行为性强迫、正视自己未曾疗愈的痛苦，并因此以更多的慈悲与理解去对待受苦之人。
Key points · 要点
- The episode’s premise: in the most health-obsessed society ever, all is not well, and at the root lies a sleeping giant — unhealed trauma.本期的前提：在史上最痴迷健康的社会里，一切并不安好，而问题的根源是一个沉睡的巨人——未曾疗愈的创伤。
- This is Maté’s second appearance on the Rich Roll Podcast; his first was episode RRP #188.这是马泰第二次做客《Rich Roll Podcast》；他首次出场是在第 188 期（RRP #188）。
- Maté is described as an expert across a wide range of topics, best known for his work on the relationship between addiction and childhood development.马泰被描述为涉猎广泛的专家，而以研究成瘾与童年发展之间的关系最为人所知。
- His book In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts is named an essential read for truly understanding the nature of addiction.他的著作《In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts》被称为真正理解成瘾本质的必读之作。
- His latest and most ambitious book, The Myth of Normal, is framed as a groundbreaking extrapolation of his addiction thesis.他最新、也最具雄心的著作《The Myth of Normal》被定位为其成瘾论题的一次开创性延伸。
- That book investigates the true causes of illness, the many ways society breeds disease, and the pathway to health and well-being.该书探究疾病的真正成因、社会滋生疾病的种种方式，以及通往健康与福祉之路。
- The conversation is described as illuminating how we can course-correct and heal both as individuals and as a collective society.这场对话被描述为阐明了我们如何作为个体、也作为整个社会去校正方向并走向疗愈。
- Roll’s closing hope: that Maté’s words inspire listeners to rethink their behavioral compulsions, redress their unhealed pain, and treat those who suffer with more compassion and understanding.罗尔在结尾的期望：愿马泰的话语启发听众重新审视自己的行为性强迫、正视未曾疗愈的痛苦，并以更多慈悲与理解对待受苦之人。
Selected quotes · 摘引
No verbatim transcript available — no quotes. · 无逐字稿，故不摘引。
People & works · 人物与著作
- Gabor Maté — guest; physician and author returning for his second appearance, here discussing how trauma fuels disease.加博尔·马泰 —— 嘉宾；医生与作家，第二次做客本节目，在此探讨创伤如何助长疾病。
- Rich Roll — host of The Rich Roll Podcast; frames the conversation and expresses great reverence for Maté and his work.里奇·罗尔 —— 《Rich Roll Podcast》主持人；主导这场对话，并表达了对马泰及其工作的深切敬意。
- In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts — Maté’s book on addiction, named by Roll an essential read for understanding the nature of addiction.《In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts》（饿鬼之境）—— 马泰关于成瘾的著作，被罗尔称为理解成瘾本质的必读之作。
- The Myth of Normal — Maté’s then-latest book, framed as an investigation into the true causes of illness and the pathway to health.《The Myth of Normal》（正常的迷思）—— 马泰当时最新的著作，被定位为对疾病真正成因与通往健康之路的探究。
Source · 来源
- Original · 原始链接: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dr-gabor-mat%C3%A9-on-how-trauma-fuels-disease/id582272991?i=1000578395034&uo=4
- Channel/Show · 频道/节目: The Rich Roll Podcast · published 2022-09-05